{"id":1452,"date":"2013-09-28T09:07:23","date_gmt":"2013-09-28T16:07:23","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/moviesharkdeblore.com\/site\/?p=1452"},"modified":"2014-10-12T09:19:40","modified_gmt":"2014-10-12T16:19:40","slug":"robert-reich-jacob-kornbluth-schoolhouse-rock-for-the-economy-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/behindthelensonline.net\/site\/interviews\/robert-reich-jacob-kornbluth-schoolhouse-rock-for-the-economy-2\/","title":{"rendered":"ROBERT REICH & JACOB KORNBLUTH: “Schoolhouse Rock” for the Economy"},"content":{"rendered":"

By: debbie lynn elias<\/strong><\/p>\n

With few exceptions, each of us has been affected by the financial collapse of America in 2008 and the resulting \u201cGreat Recession.\u201d\u00a0 But how many of us actually understand \u201chow\u201d this could happen not only to America, but to each of us?\u00a0 We work hard, save a little, spend a little (or in some cases, save a lot, spend a lot).\u00a0 We go along in our daily lives like good worker bees as we\u2019ve been taught by our parents and their parents, many of whom survived the Great Depression.\u00a0 But something broke within the system and there is now little to no saving or spending but for the top 1% of earners in the country and the inequality of earnings and wealth is at unprecedented levels of disparity.\u00a0\u00a0 So, what happened?<\/p>\n

This is exactly the kernel that was planted within director Jacob Kornbluth when he got the idea for a documentary on the subject tailored for the average American. And so Kornbluth went to Robert Reich.\u00a0 Considered to be one of the foremost experts on economic policy, former Secretary of Labor to President Clinton, cabinet member for Presidents Carter and Ford, author of 14 books and currently Professor of Public Policy\/Wealth & Economics Berkeley, Robert Reich is the teacher, guide and hero in INEQUALITY FOR ALL; the teacher that we all wish we had had and thanks to documentarian Jacob Kornbluth, we now do have.<\/p>\n

Together with two of my colleagues, I sat down with Robert Reich and Jake Kornbluth to talk about INEQUALITY FOR ALL, following which I spoke with Reich and Kornbluth exclusively<\/strong>.\u00a0 Given the intricacies of the issues and the intertwining themes, below is a consolidated and excerpted Q&A of my discussions with the gentlemen in both forums.<\/p>\n

\"Inequality<\/p>\n

I applaud you on this film.\u00a0 This is the \u201cSchoolhouse Rock\u201d on the economy!<\/strong><\/p>\n

RR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I love it!\u00a0 That\u2019s your headline.<\/p>\n

The film is fantastic.\u00a0 So enlightening.\u00a0 You, Robert, really are a character in the film.\u00a0 You\u2019re the teacher everybody should have had and the one everybody wanted.<\/strong><\/p>\n

JK:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That\u2019s how I felt.\u00a0 I had never seen [Reich\u2019s] class, but when we started making the movie, I thought, \u201cMan.\u00a0 This is a class I wish I could have taken in college from the teacher I wish I could have taken it from<\/em><\/strong>.\u201d\u00a0 That\u2019s when the classroom became part of the film.\u00a0 It wasn\u2019t part of the movie in the initial conception.<\/p>\n

I genuinely appreciate what you\u2019ve done.\u00a0 INEQUALITY FOR ALL is so beneficial for the American people.<\/strong><\/p>\n

RR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That\u2019s the idea, debbie.\u00a0 We\u2019re really hoping this changes the national conversation and gives people more of a sense of their own power and efficacy and ultimately leads to political change and reverses these trends because they\u2019re dangerous<\/em><\/strong>.<\/p>\n

What was the genesis of this film?\u00a0 Even though this problem or issue has been onging and we\u2019ve seen the economic decline of America over the years, what prompted the film?<\/strong><\/p>\n

RR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I have been writing about it.\u00a0 I have been trying to do something about it.\u00a0 I\u2019ve been in Washington and I\u2019ve been banging my head against the wall.\u00a0 One day Jake came into my office and wanted to do this film based on my most recent book.\u00a0 I was skeptical.\u00a0 Let\u2019s put it gently; I was skeptical.<\/p>\n

JK:\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I actually wanted to do the movie before I read the book. . .We had known each other a bit and I was interested in knowing what the story about the economy was for myself.<\/p>\n

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RR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We had done some 2 minutes videos.<\/p>\n

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JK:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I had in my mind this sense that somebody without an economic background that I was a perfect first audience for this stuff.\u00a0 If I could get it, maybe everybody else could get it.<\/em><\/strong>\u00a0 I realized that in the bigger economy, I had been sort of trapped in the 24 hour news cycle.\u00a0 I kept hearing people discuss income and equality and what was happening to the economy after the crash in 2008 and I didn\u2019t understand what was going on.\u00a0 I didn\u2019t get it.\u00a0 I was frustrated with that.\u00a0 I understood that the democrats thought this and the Republicans thought that, but I didn\u2019t understand what had happened.\u00a0 I didn\u2019t have any context for it.\u00a0 So, I was hoping to do some sort of story to put all of this in context.\u00a0 And then his book was just like paradigm shifting for me<\/em><\/strong>.\u00a0 I hadn\u2019t thought about it in that way.\u00a0 I didn\u2019t realize that this widening income inequality was affecting our economy and our democracy.<\/em><\/strong>\u00a0 I had understood it maybe in moral terms coming into that.\u00a0 I had understood that maybe it just wasn\u2019t fair that people had this amount and everybody else had that little, but now I had a new framework to understand it.\u00a0 It was bad for our economy overall and it was bad for our democracy.<\/p>\n

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And was this the Beyond Outrage<\/em> book?<\/strong><\/p>\n

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RR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Aftershock<\/em>.\u00a0 Beyond Outrage<\/em> was really a collection of essays so the last large book was Aftershock<\/em>.\u00a0 I did try to summarize what I thought had happened to the economy over the past 30 years and how widening inequality had a roll to play in the financial crisis and we would still be struggling to get out of the gravitational pull of the Great Recession because of i<\/em><\/strong>t.\u00a0\u00a0 Jake did something that I didn\u2019t think was possible and that was put it into terms in movie language and art form that, at least the audiences we\u2019ve had at screenings, have found incredibly powerful.<\/p>\n

\"reich<\/p>\n

What made this the right time to make INEQUALITY FOR ALL?<\/strong><\/p>\n

JK:\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I don\u2019t know. . . I really woke up to this around 2008; around when the economy crashed<\/em><\/strong>.\u00a0 What I realized was, like a lot of people of my generation, we\u2019re pretty cynical about politics or we didn\u2019t feel like we could participate.\u00a0 I had never really participated.\u00a0 I had just reached my personal limit.\u00a0 I had to get this and do something about it.\u00a0 I felt like I had to do something about it.\u00a0 In that way, I bet there are other people like me.\u00a0 I bet there\u2019s people who to this point have not been invested in economics and politics and I\u2019m hoping when they see the film they turn around.\u00a0 I think in a certain way, it\u2019s not \u201cjust of this moment\u201d this film.\u00a0 I feel like it\u2019s not pinned to just one news cycle.\u00a0\u00a0 I feel like it will be useful to people to see next year and it would have been interesting for them to see it last year.\u00a0 I feel like it\u2019s one of those stories that\u2019s a little bit bigger and a little bit less pinned to one time.\u00a0 I can see it useful in a bunch of different eras. . . A few years ago, I didn\u2019t understand this stuff and I had never done anything political and I had never made a documentary before.\u00a0 But, this felt to me hugely important.\u00a0 Getting this message out, getting his story out, felt to me like there was nothing more important that I could think of to do<\/em><\/strong>.\u00a0 Now, the film opens and it has a shot.\u00a0 I\u2019ve done something.\u00a0 My friends are like, \u2018Boy, if Jake can do something then maybe I can, too!\u2019\u00a0 So, I\u2019m hoping that this film does something to change that conversation and the way people think about it; and that people feel a little bit more empowered to do something about it.<\/p>\n

RR:\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I think it\u2019s also very important for people as we come out of the crisis that was the \u201cfinancial crisis of 2008\/2009″, it\u2019s dawning on people that there\u2019s something fundamentally wrong with the economy<\/em><\/strong> – I\u2019m working harder than ever.\u00a0 I\u2019m not getting ahead.\u00a0 We\u2019re supposed to be in a recovery.\u00a0 This is not a recovery for me.\u00a0 I can see there are very few people at the top who are running off with most of the gains.\u00a0 – I think that if this movie had come out during the financial crisis, everybody would be focused on Wall Street and the financial crisis.\u00a0 I think now is the perfect time as we come out of the recession when the realization is dawning on people that there is something more fundamental going on that we can actually teach.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

JK:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That\u2019s exactly what happened to me, what he just described.\u00a0 I had this sort of realization that maybe this isn\u2019t right.\u00a0 Maybe there\u2019s something wrong here.\u00a0 I felt like the partisan terms I was getting the message through wasn\u2019t really teaching me anything.\u00a0 I wasn\u2019t learning anything about – just because the Democrats feel this and the Republicans feel that, wasn\u2019t really educating me on it.<\/p>\n

\"reich<\/p>\n

Through INEQUALITY FOR ALL we see that everything is connected.\u00a0 You\u2019re not blaming Wall Street.\u00a0 You\u2019re not blaming politicians.\u00a0 Everything is interlocking.<\/strong><\/p>\n

RR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It\u2019s not a blame game.<\/em><\/strong>\u00a0 One of the things I tell my students is that if you want to understand what\u2019s been going on and also what needs to be done, you\u2019ve got to get out of the blame game.\u00a0 Some people on the left want to blame the rich and corporations.\u00a0 Some people on the right want to blame the poor and government.\u00a0 Either of those frames referenced get you nowhere.\u00a0 And they aren\u2019t even truthful.\u00a0 You\u2019ve got to understand the dynamic itself<\/em><\/strong> – How we got into the position?\u00a0 Why is it that globalization and technological change have not had nearly the same affects of pulling societies apart of creating massive inequality and economic insecurity elsewhere?\u00a0 It\u2019s a failure of understanding that we can change the rules of the game and have a much more prosperous society overall.\u00a0 This is not a zero sum game<\/em><\/strong> in which the only way the middle class and the poor gain is if the rich lose.\u00a0 The rich will be better off with a smaller share of a rapidly growing economy and a less vitriolic society than they are now.<\/p>\n

JK: \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What you just said about the dots connecting, how the dots connect in this film, is really where my framework got locked or where I felt it was a paradigm shifting idea for me<\/em><\/strong>.\u00a0 It wasn\u2019t just one thing.\u00a0 It wasn\u2019t just campaign finance reform needs to happen, although it does.\u00a0 And it wasn\u2019t just Wall Street reform needs to happen, although it does.\u00a0 It\u2019s that they\u2019re all connected.\u00a0 For me, I have a feeling on a personal level that my community and society isn\u2019t as cohesive as I want it to be.\u00a0 I\u2019m not as connected to my fellow citizens.\u00a0 I\u2019m a little bit too cynical about politics in general.\u00a0 When I started to see that all of these things are connected. . . to me, the biggest story of our time is this widening income inequality, this growing income inequality.\u00a0 It affects every aspect of my life on a daily basis in a way that I feel.\u00a0 I\u2019m worried economically about the future.\u00a0 My parents generation had a little bit easier run of it than I\u2019m having and me and my friends are having.\u00a0 I\u2019m worried about politics being just so partisan that I feel like I\u2019m beaten down by it.\u00a0 But what if all of those things are connected?\u00a0 What if the big story here is that the structure of the economy is organized in such a way that makes it so that it\u2019s not for the good of our society; it\u2019s not the best America we can build.\u00a0 I\u2019m hoping that when people see this film they change this from a moral question of income and inequality and isn\u2019t it just too bad to something like, if we want to have an America that sort of works for everybody and that\u2019s good for us and good for all of our citizens , that we need to fix this.\u00a0 It\u2019s an imperative that we do something about it, that we not get beaten down over it.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

When it comes to the structure of the film and the information you chose to impart within that structure, how did you go about deciding what to talk about and then how to deliver it in such an affable and easily understood while authoritative form?<\/strong><\/p>\n

JK:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Bob\u2019s a great communicator <\/em><\/strong>and he can speak to that, but this process of figuring out which points to focus on and how – each one of the topics in the film are rabbit holes that I fell down for what felt like a month.\u00a0 I\u2019d go down and I\u2019d be like, \u201cIn the history of unions, what happened?\u201d, and it turned out that we had to keep this larger picture in mind, the widening income inequality, and thank goodness that we had such a collaborative relationship to make this.\u00a0 We\u2019d shoot part of the movie, I\u2019d go back and edit it and come up with some story points and I\u2019d would say, \u201cMaybe we\u2019d like to try it a little more this way\u201d and we\u2019d come back and ask [Reich] a few more questions about it.<\/p>\n

RR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I wrote something we call \u201cThe Spine\u201d which was the simplified narrative whole and Jake filmed me head-on, basically reading it.\u00a0 We had a teleprompter.\u00a0 And it didn\u2019t work.\u00a0 It was too stiff.\u00a0 It wasn\u2019t me.\u00a0 Although I think \u201cThe Spine\u201d still had something to do with what we ended up with, part of Jake\u2019s brilliance is just knowing what works and what doesn\u2019t work.<\/p>\n

\"reich-01\"<\/p>\n

Everything goes hand-in-hand and falls into place; the editing, the final product is rapier.\u00a0 It\u2019s to the point, it\u2019s engaging, it\u2019s informative, and you cannot turn away from it.<\/strong><\/p>\n

RR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I\u2019m a broken record about this but I think Jake is a genius.\u00a0 I think he put together an amazing team.\u00a0 Kim Roberts the editor, the graphic designer Brian Oakes and Marco d\u2019Ambrosio supplied the music<\/em><\/strong>.\u00a0 This is an amazing group of people under Jake\u2019s orchestration.<\/p>\n

JK:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It\u2019s true.\u00a0 I had never had such a gratifying collaborative experience in making anything.\u00a0 Not only working with Bob which was inspiring in its own way, but the filmmakers on this project<\/em><\/strong> – The editor, she had cut previously a film called FOOD, INC., that I had been a big fan of.\u00a0 And she had also made a film called DAUGHTER FROM DANANG that I was a fan of.\u00a0 She was brilliant.\u00a0 Miranda Yusef who did some editing, too, she was brilliant.\u00a0 The camera team and the producers Jen Chaiken and Sebastian Dungan; these people got together and they all brought everything they could to this project.\u00a0 You don\u2019t usually see this.\u00a0 People are just in it for a job at some level but in this case it really felt like a passionate bunch of filmmakers all at the top of their game, working as hard as they could to do something they believed in.\u00a0 If you\u2019re lucky, you get that work experience rarely in your life and some people never get it.\u00a0 I feel fortunate.\u00a0 The making of this film was an unbelievable project to be a part of.<\/p>\n

\"reich-02\"<\/p>\n

The way you interpose the graphic of \u201cThe Bridge\u201d is an engaging tool.\u00a0 People love to look at things.\u00a0 They love visual aids.\u00a0 Brilliant concept because that image even a little kid can identify with.<\/strong><\/p>\n

RR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That was Jake\u2019s idea.<\/p>\n

JK:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That was maybe an \u201ca-ha\u201d moment that made the movie come together.<\/em><\/strong>\u00a0 At the beginning of his book is this graph and it has 1928 and 2007 and it looked to me so clearly like a suspension bridge.\u00a0 I was like, \u201cMy goodness gracious.\u00a0 Is it really that clear?\u00a0 That just before the two biggest crashes of this century was the most concentrated income in the hands of the 1%?\u201d\u00a0 When I saw that I had to know more.\u00a0 I knew that there was enough in there that was intriguing to me that I really wanted to sort of understand it more but it was the initial visual \u201caha\u201d that made the movie make sense to me.<\/p>\n

How in flux was the story where you were going with the film during shooting?\u00a0 Were things changing, was content changing, and did the changing economy or world events change the direction of the film?<\/strong><\/p>\n

RR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It was constantly in flux<\/em><\/strong>.\u00a0 It was not so much the economy because, unfortunately, I knew this was going to be an anemic recovery because of all of the reasons that the film suggests.\u00a0 Jake and I would get together and I\u2018d say, \u201cHow\u2019s it going?\u201d and he\u2019d go, \u201cI don\u2019t know where we\u2019re going.\u201d<\/p>\n

JK:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I never knew what was happening.\u00a0 It\u2019s terrifying to make a movie, any movie, but a movie like this even moreso.\u00a0 We had no idea where this thing was going.\u00a0 Day-to-day it would change and just until the very end, the movie has a whole lot of threads – his personal story, the classroom, the experience of the people, the subjects of the film, and the different sections of the movie.\u00a0 They just didn\u2019t feel cohesive.\u00a0 It didn\u2019t feel like one movie until it sort of all came together which was just at the very end.\u00a0 We had screenings two weeks before we submitted to Sundance and it still felt like we were flailing around.\u00a0 Then it was just sort of magic and it worked.<\/p>\n

\"reich-03\"<\/p>\n

You mentioned cynicism.\u00a0 What was the moment where you overcame your cynicism?\u00a0 And what do you tell your students who come away from the class with a \u201cwhat can I do to change things\u201d attitude?<\/strong><\/p>\n

RR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Cynicism is the largest obstacle to social change.<\/em><\/strong>\u00a0 Part of the course, and even part of the movie, is historical.\u00a0 You\u2019ve got to understand that we have been here before.<\/em><\/strong>\u00a0 The United States economy – We continue to save capitalism from its own excesses again and again.\u00a0 We did it in the Progressive Era between 1901 and 1916. We did it in the Great Depression, the New Deal of the 1930’s.\u00a0 We expanded opportunity, equal opportunity in the 1960’s.\u00a0 It\u2019s a never ending challenge.\u00a0 The problem is the last 35 years, we as a country, have not been as vigilant as we need to be<\/em><\/strong>.\u00a0 So, it\u2019s possible, we know it\u2019s possible.\u00a0 Cynicism is dangerous because people throw up their hands<\/em><\/strong> and say, \u201cIt\u2019s not possible.\u00a0 Why should I even try.\u201d\u00a0 And that\u2019s the end of the road.<\/p>\n

JK:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 One of the interesting points that comes up around this topic is generational<\/em><\/strong>.\u00a0 Like Bob always says when we talk about this stuff, he says, when he was growing up he had examples of social change happening, playing out in front of his face.\u00a0 It was taken as sort of a given; the Robert Kennedy, the civil rights movement, the fight for the Viet Nam War.\u00a0 He lived through a bunch of things that he saw change happen when his generation put their foot to the floor.\u00a0 For me, I never saw that.\u00a0 I grew up in an entire period of feeling as though we weren\u2019t really affecting change at all and that we were sort of losing our democracy, that we didn\u2019t feel in control of it or that was certainly the experience of me and my friends.\u00a0<\/em><\/strong> But, we talk about this, and making this movie certainly has been – actually I feel much more optimistic making it now than I did before I made the film.\u00a0 One of the things was make the film about income inequality and you\u2019ll feel better about it.\u00a0 But the other thing is that there are these tipping points.\u00a0 There are these things when you feel as though you can\u2019t see your way out of something.\u00a0 But as [Reich] said, if you look at it historically, whenever we get to those points where it feels like you can\u2019t do anything about it, everybody rallies around and something happens.\u00a0 There\u2019s a tipping point.<\/em><\/strong>\u00a0 There\u2019s a change that sort of makes it so that everybody – and then it changes and it feels like it happens sometimes overnight; although I don\u2019t like for anybody to think about this happening quickly.\u00a0 I like to think about it as a long fight.\u00a0 But I think that we could find it\u2019s tipping point soon.\u00a0 We\u2019re in an extreme right now.\u00a0 If we step out of the moment and our partisan fights, we see this economy and this democracy is dysfunctional because of how unequal the society has become and we have to do something about it.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

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Bob, you recently in another interview referred to yourself as a \u201cvehicle\u201d with this film, a vehicle to open people\u2019s eyes and minds and educate them on some of these issues.\u00a0 So I ask Jake, how do you see yourself in this scenario?<\/strong><\/p>\n

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JK:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 If he\u2019s the vehicle then I\u2019m the car mechanic<\/em><\/strong>. [laughing] . . . There\u2019s two ways to answer the question.\u00a0 One of them is, we discuss going in.\u00a0 We both knew that we wanted to make a film about widening income inequality, and that\u2019s the message and I felt like you needed to get to know the messenger to hear the message.\u00a0\u00a0 We, against his will to a certain extent, had to open up his personal story as part of the film.<\/p>\n

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RR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 This was a point of some, I wouldn\u2019t say tension, but there was some difference of opinion because I have always been, even though I\u2019ve been in government and I\u2019ve been out there on the front line, I\u2019ve get my personal life fairly private and aspects very private.\u00a0 But Jake convinced me that it was important to use my biography as a vehicle, again that word \u201cvehicle\u201d, for enabling people to connect with this subject.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

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JK:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 As far as the making of the film itself, it is true that he maybe didn\u2019t know what he was getting into when he signed up for the film, but that allowed me a fair amount of time to study for myself and try to understand what he was saying which was the only way I could make a movie about it<\/em><\/strong>.\u00a0 It wasn\u2019t clear to me what the history of taxes were, what effect taxes have on a society.\u00a0 That was a tremendous amount of work to understand each and every aspect of economics<\/em><\/strong>.\u00a0 I was shocked when I would pick up these books just how complex these topics were to wrap my head around.\u00a0 Then I\u2019d go back and read his book and measure my understanding, because I\u2019d try to have my own ideas and then measure them against what he had come up with.\u00a0 You\u2019d see them boiled down and in a deep way, thoughtfully put together.\u00a0 It raised my admiration for his argument.\u00a0 But I had to in some ways come to peace with the argument for myself.\u00a0 I couldn\u2019t just make a movie if it was his argument just putting it together.\u00a0 I had to understand it myself.\u00a0 I had to in some ways understand the story that I wanted to tell, understand his story and then see how the two things lined up together to make the movie.\u00a0 In terms of \u201cvehicle\u201d and being a \u201cdriver\u201d, they were sort of parallel journeys.\u00a0 The 40 years of him talking about this issue and his work, and my personal journey in understanding what the movie is that I wanted to make for myself.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

\"reich-04\"<\/p>\n

Switching gears a bit here, I think the timing of this film, especially right now and in light of what\u2019s happening with Syria and the Middle East, is of even greater importance.\u00a0 United States history has traditionally been that war and military conflict seems to pop up as a means of \u201cdivert and deflect\u201d.\u00a0 When the Syria situation exploded the other week,\u00a0 Obama made a public statement that he\u2019s dropping everything to deal with Syria. What happened to the domestic front?\u00a0 We have the debt ceiling looming, we have other domestic issues looming.<\/strong><\/p>\n

RR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We\u2019re going to be in the middle of huge fights.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

I\u2019d like the two of you to weigh in on this, and especially you, Bob.\u00a0 Do you think a film like INEQUALITY FOR ALL will draw some of the attention of the powers-that-be back to the homefront and get them back on track with the debt ceiling, with our financial issues, with the budget, as opposed to all the money that we\u2019re going to lose and spend no matter what we do and what we\u2019re currently doing relative to Syria and the Middle East?<\/strong><\/p>\n

RR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Washington is rarely a leading indicator in terms of social change<\/em><\/strong>.\u00a0 Occasionally it is, but most of the time change starts happening outside Washington.\u00a0 So over the next couple of months Washington is going to be immersed; if it\u2019s not Syria, it\u2019s going to be the debt ceiling or the continuing resolution of fights between Congressional Republicans and Democrats, between inside the Republican party, and the Affordable Care Act.\u00a0 It\u2019s going to be just agony for the next month or two in Washington.\u00a0 I hope that even though it\u2019s the usual maelstrom, the movie enables people to see the big picture and not be cynical, not be pulled down by the partisan bickering and maybe, eventually, that it could have an effect on the actors in Washington.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

I would love to see that.\u00a0 I hope that INEQUALITY OF ALL can engage the public, bring them into the conversation and create enough public outcry to divert the attention back where it belongs.<\/strong><\/p>\n

JK:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That\u2019s maybe what a movie can do.\u00a0 If people start talking about it around the water cooler, it changes what people are talking about.\u00a0<\/em><\/strong> That\u2019s an important role to play.\u00a0 It\u2019s important when you\u2019re a filmmaker not to be too grandiose about the goals.\u00a0 You tell a story, you tell it was well as you can and at this point, the film\u2019s not yours anymore.\u00a0 It\u2019s the audiences\u2019.\u00a0 I just hope people talk about it.\u00a0 I hope they go see it and talk about it.\u00a0 I hope in some ways it cuts through the partisan bickering over this topic and I hope, like you said, it gets some discussion, it helps people in some way, to focus some discussion on this topic.<\/em><\/strong>\u00a0 I think it\u2019s one of the most important issues of our time.<\/p>\n

\"reich-05\"<\/p>\n

At the end of the day after making this film, now that you\u2019re on this great journey with the release being imminent, what do you each personally take away from this project?<\/strong><\/p>\n

RR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, I knew nothing about film so I take away after having been a part of this project and been at a lot of screenings, just an awe about the power of film to tell a story in the hands of a great storyteller.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

JK:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 For me, first of all, I find Bob\u2019s personal story inspiring to me.\u00a0 The fact that he\u2019s been fighting for 40 years and talking and teaching and going on television and doing whatever he can to do something about this for a long time.\u00a0 I think we all need to see examples of people trying to effectuate change to try and make it seem worth it for us.\u00a0 I talked about feeling a little bit cynical for much of my life about politics and I found this whole process to be, not necessarily that you achieve your goals, but that pursuing the goals is a worthy endeavor.\u00a0 I feel engaged.\u00a0 I want to go do what I can, to do my part, to do something about it.\u00a0 I don\u2019t want to be too Pollyanna-ish about it or too idealistic in a way that seems naive, but I feel like, \u2018What else am I gonna do?\u201d\u00a0 It\u2019s my country.\u00a0 I love America. . .You always kind of hope for the best.\u00a0 But I also want [my son] to know that I did what I could and that we all are doing what we can to make the world a better place.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

And next for you both? I would love to see you take all the little pieces that you touch on with INEQUALITY FOR ALL – the judicial aspect, the legislative aspect, the different formulas and dynamics – and do a whole series for the History Channel or PBS or something!\u00a0 I just think it\u2019s both interesting and fascinating the way the two of you present information.\u00a0 It\u2019s something that every American relate to, from a 5th grader on up.<\/strong><\/p>\n

RR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 A few years ago Jake and I did start working on these 2 minute, 2 \u00bd minute videos, on public issues.\u00a0 Jake suggested, I think it was, public option and the health care debate.\u00a0 Jake was confused about it.\u00a0 Other people were confused and Jake said, \u201cCan we do a video?\u201d and we did it.\u00a0 Some of those videos have gotten hundreds of thousands, there\u2019s one that has 1.5 million, viewers.\u00a0 They\u2019ve had a very big impact.\u00a0\u00a0 Hopefully we\u2019ll continue to do more and bigger.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

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